Gary (gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us) says:
> I think it's time for some friendly moderation to avoid a flame war...
I have been in enough flame wars to know that I don't like it hot B)
I promise that, unless there is a factual point to be made that I am
absolutely sure about, I will not post again on this subject.
I do intend to read at least the Matthiessen book, if not the Brand and
Churchill books. Could you please send, either to nn or to me personally
the titles of those books?
[ The Churchill book I know about is _Agents_of_Repression_, which I
think just came out in a new edition. Beware of the older edition,
which has printing problems (they were using an unfamiliar desktop
publishing system, and lost lines on the final edit on quite a num-
ber of pages, according to Ward Churchill). Perhaps Rick Burgess
or someone else could give us more information about the Matthiessen
book. --Gary ]
I, Dave, say:
>> Rick, it was not Deb that wrote what was written. If I recall,
>> it was a repost of a newspaper article which used as it's primary
>> source Tim Giago, current Nieman Fellow at Harvard and publisher
>> of the Lakota Times, the largest Native weekly.
Rick (rburgess@locke.hs.washington.edu) says:
> Again,with sincere respect, although it's good to have a citing for your
> source,I decline to automatically find credence with a Fellow at an
> institution such as Harvard that puts out a large number of FBI,CIA and other
> questionable leaders. Harvard IS Big Business. Ivan Boesky spoke at arecent
> commencement, did he not? Remember the words "Greed is Good"?
I make no claim to his ability as a publisher or as an editor, or as
to any other of his personality traits. I know that I have a problem
with the Lakota Times due to (what I as a Journalism student feel are)
less than professional standards. For example, there's a company called
RSW that is trying to put a dump on the Rosebud. I was the Environmental
Columnnist and I wrote a column blasting RSW for trying to do this.
When I showed it to a friend who edited, he asked "What does RSW mean?"
My Editor asked,"what does RSW mean?", and I could not find it in the
Times. I think that a professional weekly would have higher standards
than a student weekly, but I don't know...
At this point, I feel that it is important to explain the Neiman
Fellowship. It takes 12 newspeople from the States, 12 newspeople
from other countries, and creates an atmosphere where they can learn
from each other, as well as guest speakers and the resources of the
University (whether or not Harvard pumps out G-men, it has incredible
resources) to help the 24 become better newspeople.
Gary says:
> To say that "Giago is connected with the Niemann Fellowship
> Program, and that program is conducted under the auspices of Harvard, and
> Harvard is known to have cooperated as an institution with certain govern-
> ment agencies you or I happen not to like,"and to then go on to infer that
> all of Harvard and all of its academics are thereby tainted seems rather
> reckless and irresponsible. It's the essence of the logic of "guilt by
> association," and is not likely to lead to a good understanding of the
> matter we have before us.
I agree. If you can taint Giago with working for "the Feds", it is
easy to also taint anyone who works for Native Rights for working
with "those terrorist AIM people".
According to what I have heard from him, he feels that Peltier and other
people who use, shall we say, "direct tactics" for Indian Rights do more
harm than good. I have not heard anything else about it.
Dave Jacoby
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
"If we are all related, that means I am a brother to mosquitos and
fleas. Of course, you don't have to like your relatives"
-Quoted from memory, Robert Anton Wilson