CIS: Trial (Fido 6 of 8)

Oliver Kluge (kluge@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)
Mon, 30 Mar 1992 16:13:30 +0200


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Datum: 19 Feb 92 08:54:00
Von : Ronald Deere
An : Roland Leitner
Betr.: Re: Mohawk Trial
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Thanks for that information and I will post any and all information
about the trials as I get information.

Skennen: Peace
>From the Eastern Door of the Great LongHouse

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Datum: 20 Feb 92 08:54:00
Von : Ronald Deere
An : Rick Lowe
Betr.: Re: Trial
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> RD> One final note I have seen the pictures of the fire bombing
> RD> off the police and I have seen no charges. I don't want to talk
> RD> about this any longer. I know what I know, and you go on thinking
> RD> what you think you know and play cop.
>
>That's right Ron, I was a member. And I can tell you as a policeman that
>if there was any way in Hell I could identify someone who had thrown a fire
>bomb at me or a partner, the Minister of Justice herself couldn't prevent
>me from laying charges. It's as simple as that, no matter what you "know
>what I know".

I am going to try and explain this one more time to you. I just can't
help myself even if I told myself not to post to you anymore.
The problem with the fire bombs is the Minster of Justice in Quebec
can't afford to charge non-natives. It could kill them at the polls
Lets look at from their point of veiw not yours or mine.

Durning those 78 days their were cry's of send in the Army and kill all
those indains. Their were KKK groups tell people to go in there and get the
Mohawks. The local MP's and MNA's yelling at Quebec, SQ, ARMY and RCMP to
remove the Mohawk and kill them or send them to NewFoundland or some other far
off place.
There were over 10,000 people on the night and every TV and Radio
station was there. The SQ even took the tapes from the TV stations. The SQ
were even caught trying to pertend they were repoters. We saw the whole thing
on TV.
Do you think that this mob which had no fear of the police at that
time, would stand for their government to press charges ?
Yes I am sure many of the police officers would like to press charges
and there union has said so. But someone or something is stopping it. Thats
is what I am trying to point out. And as long as no one gets charged then, I
see an in justice. And I think you would have to agree with that.
Its that fact, that no one is being charge that makes me mad and you
keep saying " If they had proof". Well the proof is their in black and white
but someone is depressing the information or charges. Thats what I am mad
about.
I have picture's with out sound of the Army firing guns at people and
you can see everyone ducking down. The Army will tell you they never fired a
shot. Now you tell me you are going to believe ? I was there and so was my
two son's. I have the picture's and you have the Army.
So after the shoots where fired a fight broke out and what happens we
get charged with attacking the Army.
I am sure you have heard the saying their are two sides to every story
and in this case the public is not get both sides. You only no that the
Mohawks blocked a bridge and very litle about what happened on the outside of
those barricades. Its these things that I question and you say they need
proof.
I don't know what more I say. I not asking you to believe what I say is
the truth. What am saying is things are being depressed and you can tell me
anything you beleive. But don't try and tell me that the SQ and Quebec are
not trying to make themself look good. If they charge anyone, it wouldn't
look good for them. They need the public, all 10,000 plus voters on their
side.

Frosty.

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Datum: 23 Feb 92 02:23:02
Von : Roland Leitner
An : Ronald Deere
Betr.: Re: Mohawk Trial
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Hi Ronald,

RD> Thanks for that information and I will post any and
RD>all information about the trials as I get information.

So will I, timne permitting.

Roland

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Datum: 17 Feb 92 16:13:00
Von : Rick Lowe
An : Ronald Deere
Betr.: Re: Trial
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In a message dated 14 Feb 92 18:19:00, Ronald Deere wrote:

RD> I guess I have to remember one thing when talking to you and
RD> that is your a cop or ex-cop. You have been so intreched in what you
RD> beleive that you will never understand anything I say with out
RD> twisting it. Your enjoy trying to make other feel lower than you and
RD> well this debate with you leads us no where.

Ah! We're going to jump back into the stereotyping and assumptions, are we?
Too bad; I thought we might be able to drop all this BS and talk about issues
and possible mutually acceptable solutions. So you have decided that
policemen think in a certain manner, twist people around, and like to make
people feel lower than them? Great, I'd like to introduce you to some people
I've met; they think all natives are lazy incestous thugs who'll steal
anything that isn't nailed down if and when they're sober. You'd all get
along splendidly together since you obviously know each other so well already.
At the very least, you can be assured you'll be with similar folks.

RD> One final note I have seen the pictures of the fire bombing
RD> off the police and I have seen no charges. I don't want to talk
RD> about this any longer. I know what I know, and you go on thinking
RD> what you think you know and play cop.

That's right Ron, I was a member. And I can tell you as a policeman that if
there was any way in Hell I could identify someone who had thrown a fire bomb
at me or a partner, the Minister of Justice herself couldn't prevent me from
laying charges. It's as simple as that, no matter what you "know what I
know".

RD> I could go through your messages and tear it apart but then
RD> taht will lead to another message and at this point I don't care what
RD> you think and more.

I doubt you could; reasoned discussion and logic hasn't been your strong suit
to date.

RD> So till the end of time may you have a pleasant journey....

Why thank you, I'm sure it will be...

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